More Flights Bring Holidaymakers From Rhodes; Call for a Values-Based 'NATO' Against China

More flights are bringing back Britons from Rhodes, as firefighters and local residents battle to contain the wildfires. We talk about how we can have a more open scientific debate about climate change. The French president says the country needs a return to authority at every level. A leading China critic says we need a values-based economic NATO to protect democracies, as the Chinese regime tries to coerce other countries into forgoing their principles.